any corroboration on the accuracy of this list?
also there are gaps, can anyone fill 'em?
conventions.
Oh, I just found this in the WT Index:
1967"Disciple Making"
1968 no listing
1969 "Peace on Earth"
1970 "Men of Goodwill"
1971 "Divine Name"
1972 "Divine Rulership"
1973 "Divine Victory"
1974-1977 no listing
1978 "Victorious Faith"
1979 "Living Hope"
1980 "Divine Love"
1981 "Kingdom Loyalty"
1982 "Kingdom Truth"
1983 "Kingdom Unity"
1984 "Kingdom Increase"
1985 "Integrity Keepers"
1986 "Divine Peace"
1987 "Trust in Jehovah"
1988 "Divine Justice"
1989 "Godly Devotion"
any corroboration on the accuracy of this list?
also there are gaps, can anyone fill 'em?
conventions.
1983 "Kingdom Unity"? not certain.
1985 "Integrity Keepers". For some reason, I've always remembered this one.
(198?) "Divine Peace"
i'm sure topics like this have already come up but they tend to get hilarious with the absolute absurdity that goes on in the kh.
i was once counseled for not shaving after two days.
i was also counseled by a sister for eating lucky charms cereal.
A week or two after I gave a talk at the district convention a circuit overseer counseled me for my hair being too short for a convention speaker. The C.O. said that he personally had no problem with the length of my hair, but was just passing along observations from the visiting Bethel speaker. That happened near the beginning of my awakening. In retrospect I think it accelerated my eventual exit. It made me realize how superficial the organization is.
i remember years ago playing a game at gatherings wherein the object was to get into the new system.
they would hold up a nwt or a knowledge book (or similar)and after clearing their throat would state the name of the book that they were holding and state that if you read it and apply it you would get into the new system.
after which you were told whether or not you made it into the new system by precisely repeating what you had heard.
Terry, were we at the same gatherings?! I remember playing both those games as well. Quite often we played all three at the same gathering.
i remember years ago playing a game at gatherings wherein the object was to get into the new system.
they would hold up a nwt or a knowledge book (or similar)and after clearing their throat would state the name of the book that they were holding and state that if you read it and apply it you would get into the new system.
after which you were told whether or not you made it into the new system by precisely repeating what you had heard.
I remember years ago playing a game at gatherings wherein the object was to “get into the new system.” It involved having to repeat a phrase exactly as you heard it from the person who started the game. They would hold up a NWT or a “Knowledge” book (or similar)and after clearing their throat would state the name of the book that they were holding and state that ‘if you read it and apply it you would get into the new system.’ Then you would have to repeat what you heard. After which you were told whether or not you made it into the new system by precisely repeating what you had heard. A person who had never played didn’t know that the key was the act of clearing ones throat first, then repeating the phrase. It was easy to miss hearing that from the other person. ( I hope that made sense)
Anyway, it just occurred to me how that game was such a metaphor for life in the organization. In the game you could repeat the phrase exactly as you heard it, but if you didn’t clear your throat first, you didn’t make it. Everyone would have a big laugh over the fact that no matter how hard you tried you couldn’t make it into the new system because you missed the subtle act of throat clearing!
In JW life you could do everything right but you always had the impression that just one ‘little’ thing would keep you out of the new system. Even missing one meeting could make the difference in whether you make it.
Really it’s the perfect game for JW’s where everything is so legalistic. Did you ever play that game?
i've often wondered this during the twenty something years that i pioneered.
but it doesn't add up, literally.
seventy hours a month is only about 17.5 hours a week.
I casually brought this up once in a car group of fellow pioneers. I said that maybe the society would eventually start calling us part-time servants. Well, of course that didn't go over well. One person said "We're JW's 24 hours a day!" My response was this is true of all Witnesses not just pioneers. The logic didn't work. I think it made them not like me so much.
i've often wondered this during the twenty something years that i pioneered.
but it doesn't add up, literally.
seventy hours a month is only about 17.5 hours a week.
I've often wondered this during the twenty something years that I pioneered. But it doesn't add up, literally. Seventy hours a month is only about 17.5 hours a week. By what standard is that full time? Even when we had to get 90 hours, it just didn't add up. Does anyone know of a reason why the society refers to pioneering as full time? What am I missing? It seems dishonest. (By the way, after I woke up to the reality of the organization I went from a regular pioneer of 20+ yrs straight to zero hours in 2 months time.)
as i understand it, being gay is not a sin in the organization, only homosexual acts are sins.
i've never read anywhere that gay jw people are encouraged to "fix" their gayness and marry.. i've certainly known a fair number of confirmed bachelor types who live exemplary lives in the witness sense - one life-long bethelite i knew springs to mind - but are clearly (to me anyway) gay.
they've all been in the closet though.. i wonder if any jw has ever been out of the closet, but not disfellowshipped since they don't have sex?
"I've never read anywhere that gay JW people are encouraged to "fix"their gayness and marry."
True, it's not stated directly. However, there have been a number of experiences published where individuals chose marriage as a way to get beyond being gay. It seems that the society endorses that course by publishing those experiences.
I can think of a couple of examples that lend to your question. I know of one witness male who was completely "out" and had no cong. responsibilities-ever. Another witness male who had a ton of responsibilities in the cong., circuit, district. He lost it all after confessing to a cuddling encounter with another male witness that he swears did not involve "porneia".
within the past decade, two elders stepped down in my old congregation.
actually one was taken off for commiting adultery and therefore reproved, but the other one simply stepped down for no apparent reason.
also, in another congregation i used to attend for a short time, i was shocked to hear of another elder stepping down, again for no apparent reason.. i am wondering if there has been an increase in the number of elders stepping down for no obvious reason and to see if this is a worrying trend causing alarm for the society.. i am thinking the past 10 years, particularly with the internet being available to so many people around the world today; but have you experienced many elders stepping down in your congregation or past congregation?
I decided to stop serving as an elder almost 2 years ago. I had a reason. I had discovered that the organization is not being led by God. But I refused to share this reason. I just said it was personal. So, it may have seemed to be for no apparent reason to them.
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i dont know if this has already been posted..but 20/20 has this as one of its segments tonight (fri 11/20/09 9pm cst..abc).
devout jehovah's witness is suspected of murdering his wife of 19 years in cold.
snakes (rich .
I'm watching it right now. This a tragic story. Shockingly violent.
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